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Bumblebee's face was revealed last night and there was obviously a split between people's opinions to the face. However, over at the Don Murphy board, half of the screenwriter duo, Roberto Orci, was asked whether or not the face was the final design, which many fans have speculated. Mr. Orci had this to say: "without confirming or denying anything, all faces will have CG elements augmenting them."
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Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by Galvatron397 on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 04:50:05 AM
Hallelujah.
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by Runan on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 04:51:43 AM
I like that he looks a littlebit autobot. But they could've use the G1 crystal eyes look. That glow or have little glowing lines going back 'n forth (Devastator G1 eposide somewhere seizon 2).
I still have faith, man. This movie could really rock!
If only the Director of Casshern did this movie in stead of an American.
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by Galvatron397 on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 04:53:31 AM
I agree on the eyes, they look too terminatorish. Although if they were red they could be Decepticon eyes, they look quite evil...
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by Traveler on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 04:59:41 AM
Looks cold and scary.
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by Zhen on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 05:30:53 AM
That picture made my son cry.
But other than that, I wonder what it looks like with CG then. I _WAS_ hoping on a decent mouth, though. Oh well, we'll just have to see.
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by Lhtspeed on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 05:48:33 AM
I hope "augment" does not mean "make it look more like a freakin' Gobot."
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by TomPrime on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 06:13:23 AM
well, i guess i belong to those who will never be completely satisfied.
i believe that the face might get better when having it in live action and with CGI animation.
but still i don't get it why humanoid faces shouldn't work in a "reality feature".
many aliens in star wars or star trek look like humans. it was never a problem having aliens with human-like faces. why should it be one with robots?
the ancestors of the TFs might have been built by long-gone human like aliens, so why shouldn't they have human like faces?
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by Silverdeck(slapper123@kissit.com) on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 06:21:44 AM
Ah yes I see it now, why spent time re-creating a design that has been popular for over 20 years, simply rehash some old gobots into the cheapest looking face you can find then tell everyone not to worry as there will be C.G added to the shit face.
Trimmings dont improve on a mud pie and this face is a prime example of Hollywierd getting it flat out wrong.
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by Silverdeck(slapper123@kissit.com) on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 06:22:26 AM
Ah yes I see it now, why spent time re-creating a design that has been popular for over 20 years, simply rehash some old gobots into the cheapest looking face you can find then tell everyone not to worry as there will be C.G added to the shit face.
Trimmings dont improve on a mud pie and this face is a prime example of Hollywierd getting it flat out wrong.
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 06:26:13 AM
Cgi or not, it won't improve these hideous deigns. If they have any brains they would re do their designs G1 like as they suppose to be.
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by ShockwaveRider on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 06:54:02 AM
Cut the Geewun crap already. There's already a Geewun movie, go rent it.
That said;
I don't like the face they put on Bumblebee. At all. It has big Furby eyes and is far too mechanical and unfriendly for the Autobot that's supposed to have the greatest affinity for the humans. Does not fit the character.
Unless in Don's mind "CG augmentation" means overlaying the lower part of the face completely, he's going to look like a cheap 70's robot.
I can hope this is a "disassembled" version since the full-scale mockup is supposed to be of a captured Bumblebee. But. Not holding my breath. :(((
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by Vintagetf on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 07:34:18 AM
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by TomPrime on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 08:13:53 AM
that! would be MUCH better than what i saw before.
where's this picture from? if not from the movie makers, can somebody show it to them?
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by ShockwaveRider on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 08:19:49 AM
Seen that, thanks. Well glad they were at least thinking about it at some point...
Don't like the torso, and I guess they were stuck on the spiky limbs early on, but the head's Bumblebee alright. Though, you know, the old face just does not go wel lwith the new body.
I do think the old face looks a little kiddie, but c'mon, you can revamp that and stick with something recognizeable. Or take a look at some of the 'homage' faces from Energon and Cybertron. Or Bin/Alt.
I mean come on. I can go with a complete revision, but make it something that fits the character. Don't just slap a name on some 'cutting-edge' design, that's how crapfests like the first Batman movie are made.
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by CiaraAnne(PredaCiara@optonline.net) on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 08:54:24 AM
CGI Augmentation, GOOD! That works for the movie...but how is the toy going to look...like a respirator?
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by Shatterblast on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 09:16:47 AM
It's amazing how they give fans a typical non-answer and it gives everyone a resurgence in optimism. I hate to break it to you all, but they only cgi they'll be adding to that is glowing eyes. IF they were going to add cgi there would be green panels so that the animators could isolate the sections and overlay the cgi. It's simply safe to assume at this point that they butchered these designs, and in their pursuit of realism they cut out almost all aspects of classic transformer design. There's no reason why they couldn't have a humanoid face, they're alien lifeforms, not just machines. There's no physical necessity for all the muscles in our face, yet we evolved that way because, as social creatures, it better allows us to communicate and display emotion. Why would it be any different for TFs. His whole design pisses me off really, because I think their idea of realism is creating something that looks like it could be built on earth, there really seems to be no element of alien tech in that design. Y'know and if they really didn't want him to have a face, they could have at least modeled the face plate after his G1 toy design.
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by Lhtspeed on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 09:45:55 AM
An old saying comes to mind:
You cannot polish a turd.
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by ShockwaveRider on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 10:03:43 AM
Lhtspeed:
Yes you can. But the results are sh1tty. :P
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by Sindred on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 10:28:30 AM
The reason that the BB we saw yesterday didn't have spots for CG placement, if because I really doubt they are going to put CG on that particular model. It's probably a model for human actors to stand next to. Why would they map CG to a low-detailed model like that when they could just CG the entire thing. Then again, reasoning with Gee-wunner is like reasoning with stubborn children... wait did I just make a comparison, or are they just one in the same?
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by Lhtspeed on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 10:36:29 AM
I've said this before, but I'll say it again:
In an age where actors can interact with a refrigerator box, and CGI effects can later transform it into a walking, talking, flying, fire breathing "whatever-you-want it to be" this bumblebee robot serves only as a monument to Bay's irresponsible balance of priorities and arrogance.
This robot shouldn't be named Bumblebee. It should be WOMBAT: Waste of Money, Brains, and Time.
Why, why, why does it even exist???
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 10:59:13 AM
Cause ignorant people give their money away to watch this kind of trash. Even though it is trash. As long as most people watch it and buy the toys we're going to get more of it. So people what's it going to be?
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by KOG on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 11:57:45 AM
What's it going to be? Hmmm...
First off, I'll see the movie.
If I don't like the movie, I won't see it again.
If I do like the movie, I'll see it again and probably buy the DVD when it comes out.
And if I like the movie a whole lot, I might even buy the movie-toys. As long as they aren't real cheap looking.
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by bob on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 12:32:10 PM
believe it or not- CG was absolutely more expensive than physical effects up until a few years ago (and probably still is- I'm no longer certain).
It has always been mechanically unfeasable to build physical robots that are intended to run and jump (etc). I'd bet money the bumblebee they built has some animatronic features.
If bumblebee spends significantly more time interacting with humans than the rest of the transformers, this is probably a very practicle model logisticly.
If they built him for purely ego/ isn't this fun reasons they probably would have built more of the characters (and I bet there are some body parts from other characters floating around as well). I have no doubt it made sense to build bumblebee.
(which doesn't mean I don't think they're a bunch of idiots)
:P
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by KOG on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 12:35:42 PM
All one has to do is look at the movie Jurassic Park. They obviously had full CG models for most of the dinos, but they still made use of puppets/animatronics for a surprising number of scenes.
The big Trex foot stomping in the mud, and the velociraptor feet running down the kitchen are good examples of non-CG effects.
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by Bumblenuts on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 @ 07:27:57 PM
Yo, Ive been on set. Ive stood 1 foot away from Bumblebee, AND THAT IS NOT HIS FACE. THAT IS WHATS UNDER HIS FACE. There is more that goes over that. And his whole body looks bad ass. It doesnt look anything like the Megetron model you all have seen.
Also Ive seen megatrons body (no shoulders or head) and that sketch is pretty much right. (sorry to say) The movie will be cool. But it wont be what all you expect. There will be a lot of human interaction, and military involvment too.
I havent seen Optimus, but I saw a silhouette of his head, and it did have the distinguishing features, like the mohawk, and pointy ears. So dont think its going to suck yet.
You guys jump to conclusions.
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by Shatterblast on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 06:57:34 AM
Hey Sindred, for your information I'm not a "gee-wunner" I didn't really become a fan until Beast Wars. It's kind of pathetic that you just have such high hopes about the movie you'll insult people you don't even know, just to try and maintain your optimism. I don't want these to look like G1, but I'd rather not have transformers with a face like Johhny 5 from short circuit. I sincerely hope you're right about it being a version without the cgi paneling, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by openwound on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 10:24:25 AM
HELLO MISTER JOHNNY 5!
EFFENDI!
Re: Movie Bumblebee Face To Have CG Augmentation (Score: 1) by Acecool79 on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 03:56:06 PM
I am officially offended. I understand the need to change the face, because we need to change what works and such. I can live with not having moving robot lips, even though it looks like they decided to give them to megatron with huge fangs and T-1000 morphing action into an alien jet. Fine i can deal with that, but why did they have to go with a little speaker mouth? Why not have a face plate like optimus or gold bug? Why not have a little bit of color? Why not have something that resembles any transformers of anytime period at all?
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